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Tuesday, September 26, 2006

A Good Babysitter is Hard to Find

When I was a teenager, I was a great babysitter. I had a babysitting bag full of coloring books, crayons, and crafts. When that stuff got old, I had a head full of fun and games to entertain the kids. I took the Red Cross babysitters class where I learned first aid, and infant/child CPR. I made dinner, read books and always made sure the house was cleaner at the end of the night than it was when I arrived. And I did all of this for $2 an hour, and $1 for each additional child. Unless the parents were attending the temple or a church meeting, then I happily did it for free.

And why did I do this? Because my mom taught me that this was what a good babysitter was supposed to do. Sure it has been 15 years since that time, and I know there is this thing called inflation, but it is still hard for me to believe that I pay a teenage girl $8 an hour to sit on my couch while my kids watch movies and then come home to a house that looks like it was hit by a tornado.

Okay, I will admit that it doesn't always happen like this. Not all babysitters are bad. In fact, I have found a girl that is pretty good- we'll call her Kay. My kids still watch some movies while she's around, but she likes to play with them too and I know my kitchen will always be clean when I come home because before she collapses in front of the tv after the chillin's go to bed, she spends some time cleaning. She doesn't just wash the dishes, she scrubs the stove, wipes the counters, empties the dishwasher, cleans the high chair, and last night she even spent a good amount of time scraping the mysterious crayon wax drips off the oven (still a bitter reminder of the scribble crayon disaster that occurred months ago). With her, at least I don't feel bitter about paying the going rate.

But she wasn't always like this. I heard through the grapevine that a young woman in the ward who was going off to college took Kay aside and let her know that cleaning was something a good babysitter did. From then on, Kay incorporated it into her services. God bless that college-bound girl.

Some people might think Kay should get payed even more for going the extra mile, but in my opinion, she is the only one that has actually earned the money. The sad thing is, I feel this girl is about as good as they come anymore. And I feel lucky to even have her. In some places, I have heard it is almost impossible to find a teenage babysitter at all. Schedules are too packed, kids don't need the money and/or the parents don't think it's good use of their teenage children's time.

I am already planning on teaching my kids how to be good babysitters. While I realize not all kids are interested in babysitting, I think the lessons that can be taught here-starting at a young age (most kids start babysitting at 12?) are very important. It goes beyond just the knowledge of how to care for children, it also encompasses becoming a hard worker and someone who takes pride in a job well done. It should also teach responsibility and how to earn an honest days pay - something I feel too many teenagers know nothing about. Are parents completely failing to teach their children how to work these days? Or do teenagers just not care?

For now, I will take the babysitters I can get and try to turn them into the good babysitters I want them to be...until they decide that it's too much work to be a babysitter and start screening my calls and I am never able to leave my house without the children again.


A few more questions to think about: What makes a good babysitter in your eyes? What do you expect for your money's worth? Is babysitting something you will encourage your own children to do even if they don't need the money (this would be at an age before they can take on a "real" job)?

28 Comments:

  • I agree that teenage baby-sitters are becoming harder and harder to come by. When I do find a good, it is because they play with my kids. My kids are excited when they come over because the babysitter is fun.

    As for cleaning the house...I expect that whatever mess they make while I am gone should be cleaned up. That could mean their toys or their dinner dishes. But I do not expect the baby-sitter to clean beyond that. Picking up after playing with the kids is all that I think is needed.
    posted by Blogger Ryann at 9/26/2006 12:14:00 PM  



  • Thank you thank you thank you thank you for this post.

    I, too, have been extremely disillusioned (is that how you spell it?) when it comes to babysitters --which I tend to need frequently.

    I was the same as you growing up. When I babysat (for hardly any money) it was done well, the house was clean when they returned, and quite often, I did it for free (same reasons as yours). My mother taught me to do it.

    But I swear, the teens now-a-days are getting lazier. I have been through at least 4 different babysitters that I will not call again, simply because they can't/won't live up to my lowest expectations. I used to think that maybe they were too high --but then I had to remember what I was like as a sitter...my expectations are NOT too high --theirs are too low.

    I expect the same as ryann. They don't have to do my laundry (heaven forbid!) but at least leave it presentable. And paying attention to the kids? A must. I figure that since I pay pretty well (for Utah), they can live up to the job. If not, I won't call them again.

    Ahh...I long for those days when my siblings were here for college and would babysit for free... ~sigh~
    posted by Blogger Cheryl at 9/26/2006 12:27:00 PM  



  • We came home at 11:30pm once, to find our son playing with the babysitter. We had left when he was sleeping. She volunteered that she woke him up - she was bored and he was fun.

    I would never have expected that.

    I expect my directions to be followed as closely as possible, and since I never ask a babysitter to do anything difficult, it's not hard. I expect whatever messes she makes, or the children make with her (reaonably, of course - toys and such) to be picked up before bed. I expect the kids to be safe. Fun would be nice.

    In CA we got a deal on the nights we secured the $5/hour babysitter. We felt like we were robbing the poor girl of money. Here in Utah? The one we've had lately is $2!!! An hour!!! ($1/kid/hour)
    posted by Blogger Julie at 9/26/2006 12:43:00 PM  



  • "For now, I will take the babysitters I can get and try to turn them into the good babysitters I want them to be"

    What is your strategy to turn them into good babysitters?

    In the past I have just come right out with it: When I get home, I expect this, this and this. I will call you when I am on my way so that you clean up etc.
    posted by Blogger Kage at 9/26/2006 01:24:00 PM  



  • What do you do when there are only three YW and one got too old (her decision, not mine) and the two others I wouldn't leave my dog with?
    We live in a community that has priced out families, so no church girls or neighborhood girls either. The going proffesional rate is $15 an hour, whick means we could stay out for an hour, maybe 1 1/2 if we are feeling flush. How do you find teenage babysitters? We used to swap, but the families that we swapped with all moved away.
    Anyone else have this problem? Any solutions? Anyone want to find my husband a job in Utah so I can pay $2 an hour?!?
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 9/26/2006 02:10:00 PM  



  • I work full-time and DH is in school, so we needed someone who could watch during the middle of the day. Luckily, there is a girl in my ward who's husband is during he residence at a hospital here. Since she isn't working she's perfect. We take him to her apartment during the day and at night she will come to our house. All for $3 an hour. She's great!

    DH might get into the Fire Academy and if that's the case, he will be there A TON (like 42 hours some weeks). We are thinking of switching to monthly payments - $350-ish. She is a God send.
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 9/26/2006 02:31:00 PM  



  • Mimi--I would look around some more for someone else to swap with. We lived in areas where there were few young women and those that were there were too far away. The best situtation was a year where we traded about every week with another family. In the other times, we rarely went out together.

    I never really thought that babysitters should clean. I'm hiring them to take care of my kids, and if everyone is happy when the night is over, then I feel ok about it. If they clean up the kitchen, that's an added bonus.

    And, Carrie, when you're talking about your kids babysitting in the future, you're talking only about your daughters? I have been puzzling over your post earlier of male care givers. Someone from our new ward told us that the stake president told families from the pulpit not to let your sons babysit. I have mixed feelings about this. I really want T to have the chance to learn nurturing and child caring skills, as well as a general work ethic. It makes it a lot harder that he's a boy. What kinds of opportunities would a boy have that provide some sort of equivalence to a girls' babysitting?
    posted by Blogger Belle at 9/26/2006 02:48:00 PM  



  • michelle, boys could get involved with boys and girls clubs or the ymca. They could be a camp counselor. My sister used to do this over the summer, working with really small children, with plenty of watchful eyes (her female and male coworkers). He could also watch the children while the parents are in the home ie. I am in my bedroom getting a few hours of work done while your son is playing with my kids in the next room
    posted by Blogger Kage at 9/26/2006 03:00:00 PM  



  • I'm no longer a teenager but I do some babysitting for one of the ladies from church and she has essentially forbidden me to clean up. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. Why wouldn't she want to have the dishes or the vacuuming dealt with for her?
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 9/26/2006 03:20:00 PM  



  • I would expect a good babysitter to play with my kids and to just give me peace of mind while I'm out. I don't wanna spend my entire night out (FINALLY!) thinking about whether or not the kids are in good hands. I guess that's why you choose your babysitters carefully. I would also always encourage my kids to babysit. They're providing a service, and what kids doesn't need the money??? I only have a boy so far, and he will definitely be babysitting his own siblings, and I hope other children (I guess on a case by case basis depending on the families that we know and the comfort level - re. your last post)
    posted by Blogger Beth at 9/26/2006 04:29:00 PM  



  • I think it's hard in general to find someone that knows the definition of work. Our society is becoming more lazy and are teaching the youth to do the very minimum that is required. My husband and I have had a lot of talks about this and how we are going to try to make our children different. A lot of things are handed to the youth these days that they don't learn the value of work.
    I'm glad you have found a good babysitter. Besides family I have yet to find one that I would trust.
    posted by Blogger Erin at 9/26/2006 04:37:00 PM  



  • wiz, you have a NON member babysit? sharp breath in, shock and surprise!

    Just kidding. I think 5 bucks sounds just right btw.
    posted by Blogger Kage at 9/26/2006 07:28:00 PM  



  • Well, bother. I live in Utah, and I have to pay $7/hour to get someone to come. And she doesn't clean. And my kids are asleep before she gets here. Arg.
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 9/26/2006 09:32:00 PM  



  • Let me just clarify on the cleaning expectations. I don't expect babysitters to clean while they are taking care of my kids. I for sure want them playing with my kids instead of vacuuming. I, like many others, expect messes that are made in my absence to be cleaned up before I get home.

    But when I pay a babysitter to take care of my kids when they have already eaten dinner and are sleeping for 3/4 of the time, I feel like I should either be able to ask the babysitter to do other chores around the house or I should be able to pay them less.

    The great thing about Kay is that she starting doing all the extra work without me even asking or hinting at it. Sometimes she will do things that I might not even notice for a few days (like clean out the microwave). I can tell she takes pride in her work - with the kids and in the kitchen. I really love her for that. So, I happily pay her $8 and I always make sure she knows I think she's the very best babysitter in the whole ward(I think this makes her even want to be better).

    I wonder if the parents of "bad" babysitters (ones that you wouldn't ask back) realize their children are bad babysitters. Do they care? If you were going to allow your child to care for someone else's children, wouldn't you make sure they were properly trained and knowledgeable on what might be expected of them? It makes me wonder.

    "What is your strategy to turn them into good babysitters?"

    That is the problem. I don't really have one and even if I did, I would be scared to implement it because this might happen:

    "until they decide that it's too much work to be a babysitter and start screening my calls and I am never able to leave my house without the children again"

    I want to set high expectations but I don't want to lose any from my precious pool of babysitters. I have to branch out from Kay because she is not always available (she is the best babysitter in the ward).

    Anonymous - I can't believe an adult will watch your son for only $3 an hour. She must be sent from heaven.

    Michelle,
    I purposely wrote the gender ambiguously when speaking of my children babysitting. After the conclusion of my last post about babysitting, I guess it should follow that I wouldn't let my sons babysit, but I haven't quite come to grips with that yet. I really don't like the way sounds or feels, so I have left it open for now (as well as my decision to not hire teenage boy babysitters). I wish you would have weighed in more on the last conversation, because I still am troubled with it all.

    Kage's ideas sound good. I was a YMCA camp counselor too and I always thought it was great training for the guys that had the job too. Tutoring might also be an option at a slightly younger age? Volunteer work with family shelters could also be an option.

    pdoe - it sounds like a good mormon woman's pride to me. She probably knows that you would do extra straightening/cleaning without being asked (because that is also what a good mormon woman would do) and tries to put a pre-emptive strike on the matter. I say do it anyway if you feel so inclinded. Nobody can be mad when their dishes are clean.

    House warden, I really agree with what you are saying. I think too many kids don't know how to work and don't know the value of a dollar. And then this attitude is widely spread by teen targeted television shows. It's upsetting and hard to know how to combat it.
    posted by Blogger This is Carrie at 9/26/2006 09:51:00 PM  



  • THe Wiz,

    I love that story! And I can totally understand your aunt's underlying motivation for doing such a silly thing. I try to keep those crazy voices quiet now.

    Say it with me "Dirty dishes are not a (bad) reflection of who I am as a woman or mother."
    posted by Blogger This is Carrie at 9/27/2006 08:31:00 AM  



  • Carrie,

    I want the 1990 version of Carrie as a baby-sitter. Coloring books, crafts, and doing the dishes? I'd hire you for $2 an hour, any time. Inflation-adjusted, even.

    You don't by chance have a fifteen-year-younger sister (or cousin, or neice) with the same babysitting ethic who lives in San Diego, do you?

    In the absence of that, I'll offer you $2 an hour plus $1 per kid -- inflation adjusted! -- any time you'd like to drive down here and babysit. :P
    posted by Blogger Kaimi at 9/27/2006 09:42:00 AM  



  • I suppose I must be one of those nutty mothers out there that are happy if my children are happy and safe when I get home. I do like having the living room tidy but I don't expect my babysitter to do my housework. IF they do it great, but the happiness and care of my children mean much more to me than a clean house.
    posted by Blogger Tigersue at 9/27/2006 11:33:00 AM  



  • Sorry Kaimi, no such luck. And I'm not that great of a babysitter any more. I think motherhood has beaten that 1990's girl out of me.

    Tigersue,
    "The happiness and care of my children mean much more to me than a clean house."

    I don't think anyone here would disagree with you on that. In fact the main reason that I started hiring my babysitter, Kay, was because I could immediately tell that she loves children. She always takes the time at church functions to come over and interact with my children. They get excited when she comes over to babysit. I would for sure take a babysitter who loves children and doesn't clean up over a babysitter who doesn't show any real interest in my children but leaves the house spic and span. SOrry if you believed otherwise from my previous statements.

    But still, I don't think it is too much to ask to have the babysitter tidy up a bit during the time she is "watching" sleeping kids -especially when she is getting paid $8 an hour. It would maybe take 1/2 hour out of the three hours of quiet time.

    If I have a babysitter during the day that has to take care of lunch and two awake children the whole time, I expect much less in the way of a clean house when I come home. But I do expect more than children who are happy just because the babysitter let them trash the house and watch movies the entire time.

    I also have a feeling that most people who posted here about not being happy with babysitters (ones that you would never call back) had less to do with cleaning abilities and more to do with competence in taking care of children. While this post and many of the comments did end up focused around clean houses, my main point is that babysitters don't seem trained for the job. Is this a responsibility of their parents or us as "employers"?
    posted by Blogger This is Carrie at 9/27/2006 01:06:00 PM  



  • $7/hour in UTAH? I went to YW last night and found some new (older) babysitters (who I will feel comfortable with staying later than my cute $2/hour daytime girl). They're $5. Sounds fine to me. What's crazy? When I was 14 and 15 some 15 and 16 years ago (oh my goodness, was it that long ago?) I also charged $5/hour and often got more. So I guess I'm pretty lucky not to be paying $10+/hour!
    posted by Blogger Julie at 9/27/2006 02:27:00 PM  



  • When we lived in NYC I remember ppl talking about how expensive babysitters were. My 17 yr old niece lived with us for one summer and babysat for our neighbors who went to their ward temple night. My niece went over to the house, the kids were eating dinner, they had ordered her dinner, then they finished their movie (1 hour max) and went to bed. My niece was there for 5 hours and came home with $75!!!
    I made her take the money back the next day and they wouldn't take it. They have three boys and were convinced that 5 per kid per hour was the going rate. Who can afford to go out?
    My niece is a great babysitter. The oldest of 6 kids and babysits A LOT. Maybe this was payback for the years and years she babysat for her mom without getting paid. But in my opinion - it's crazy.
    I have beef with the whole "per kid" stuff. When I babysat I got the same amount of money for the family with 5 kids as I did for the fam with 2. Sure it was a little more work for the 5 kid family, but it was more fun too (most of the time). I think it's almost harder to watch one child - who needs your constant attention, than to watch multiple - who for the most part can entertain each other and let you join in the fun.
    Who decided to add the per kid thing? Do you think it's worth it? I guess that is what is expected these days....
    Carrie - I totally got that cleaning wasn't your main focus, its just part of the whole principle of the good old days when you would go the extra mile and take pride in your job and work hard and be the best. I had gymnastics camps to pay for every year. I would try to do the best job so that I would get booked again.
    posted by Blogger Melissa at 9/28/2006 12:04:00 AM  



  • The YW in our ward invited the activity day girls to an activity where they made babysitting kits and the YW taught about babysitting. The YW knew exactly what to do to be a good babysitter. Hopefully the younger girls came away knowing what to do as well.

    I thought this was a good idea. Kids need to be trained in exceptations. We can't expect them to know what we want. I have suspicions that many mothers are just not teaching. Most girls I know want to do a good job.

    One last thing: I was a super-duper babysitter as well in those teen years. I've always loved kids, and my mom taught me to clean and keep cleaning if the kids were asleep. But, looking back, I too did some stupid things: once, I took the defrosting turkey out of the sink to wash the dishes. Then put it back and turned on the faucet a bit, just like the mom had left it. Hours later, one of the kids walked in the kitchen. Splish-Splash. The turkey's bum had plugged the sink. Water was flowing down the basement stairs. And yet, they asked me back. Forgiveness is divine!
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 9/28/2006 07:02:00 PM  



  • I hope this isn't too off subject, but I haven't hired a lot of babysitters and never did much of it myself. So when you hire a teenage babysitter should you agree on a rate up front or just pay them whatever you think is fair?
    posted by Blogger Jen at 9/29/2006 05:58:00 AM  



  • Jen, whenever we've hired babysitters (and we have hired about 10 over the years now), I always talk to the girl and her mom first and ask her rate. Sometimes she'll say she doesn't have a set rate and so I"ll throw out a number (we live in the Bay Area and the most I have paid is $7 for two kids. I give $5 to my 13 year old, $6 to my two 16 year olds and $7 to my most responsible 19 year old because she drives herself both ways and is truly the best). I like to have the girl come over during the day for a few hours while I'm working out in the workroom so that she can get used to the house and the kids - maybe I'll go out for an hour so she's really on her own, but that way I'm not throwing her completely into a new situation and leaving for 6 hours.

    I have a list printed out of the kids info, routines, important phone numbers and I set it by the phone with a notepad and paper - this is her station. I tell each girl exactly what I expect (and yes, that includes cleaning up the dinner dishes and packing up the toys at the end of hte night) and what I know my kids need from her (fun mixed with firmness - they can smell weakness, those two...). There have been a few times that things weren't quite the way they needed to be and I talked to her about it really nicely - the message usually get through.

    Sorry this got so long...hope that helps.
    posted by Blogger chloe at 9/29/2006 09:21:00 PM  



  • Wow Chloe,

    I live in the Bay Area too and we can't even get the church girls under 16 to do it for less than 15$. If you want someone who will drive themselves over it could get closer to 17 $ to 20$.

    For that amount of money I do expect them to pick up the house (I usually leave it in pretty good shape). Frankly, I don't want to pay 50$ for a sitter and still have to come home to clean. I find that being very specific about what I expect (Load the dinner disher and start it, wipe down the counters, pick up, etc) goes a long way. If they don't like it they can always say no the next time I ask for a sitter.
    posted by Blogger Bek at 9/30/2006 01:21:00 PM  



  • First, thanks to Kage for letting me know about this blog, it is really fun and often inspiring to read the posts that you all put up. This is the first time I have left a comment on this site, so I hope you all don't mind my putting in my two cents worth on the subject.

    We have lived in 3 different places since we have had children and have come in contact with many sitters, members and non-members. Right now we live in Switzerland where I nearly died when the first sitter (17 years old)we had said she charged 15 Swiss francs per hour (about $12) for our 3 children (5 CHF per kid per hour). We are now expecting #4 so I guess we will be paying upwards of $16/hour pretty soon. I have come to find out over the last year that this is the going rate for our area (its a little cheaper for 2 kids, more like $10/hour). However, since movie tickets here cost about $15 each, I chalk part of the baby-sitting rates up to high cost of living.

    Having been a babysitter in my youth similar to how TftCarrie described herself, I was sort of appalled to pay these high prices, and sometimes get minimal work out of the sitters. However, my husband, ever the businessman put it into more of a marketplace perspective for me. Our sitter could get a job at McDonald's and get paid minimum wage (what is it around $6 an hour now?)and not do too much work, or she could not get a job and care for our kids. I though our kids were at least as much work as I would expect someone to put in at a minimum wage job. His point is also if you pay the sitter well they are more incented to take better care of your children and be happier about tending at your house.

    So maybe you get what you pay for. I don't think I would be willing to do a whole lot for $2 per hour. My 15 year old sister in Utah has told me that she is more likely to say yes to the family that pays her more and more likely to go the extra mile at the house that pays more money. I think she usually gets $5-7 per hour for 3-5 kids.

    One bit about the free babysitting for the temple. I don't think anyone should be expected to baby-sit for free unless they offer it. If a young woman is looking for service hours and offers her services for free, awesome. But I don't think just because you are going to the temple (which is great) she should have to sit for free. She does the same amount of work regardless of where you go. For several years we traded with another family once a month for a temple night, worked out great, we were going to the temple regularly, kids had fun friends to play with, and it was free.

    Last, don't get me wrong, I totally feel for everyone who feels like baby-sitting can be prohibitively expensive. There were many years where we either didn't go out much or worked out swaps with other families. We still don't go out too much, and when we do it is usually a client dinner that is paid for by someone else, so all we have to pay for the night is for the sitter.

    I also agree with those who have decided to be direct about their expectations of the sitter. I don't think you can expect every teenager to notice what needs to be done, but they usually aren't offended if you ask them to do certain things or leave them a list.
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 10/02/2006 07:04:00 AM  



  • This post and all the comments are incredibly helpful. THANK YOU! I live in Utah, in the same stake as half of my family, so I can usually call in favors from them for watching the kids.

    However, I have started using my 12 year old niece for an occasional date. I've been worried that she doesn't know CPR and abdominal thrusts. SO, I'm about to send her and a bunch of other YW from my ward to a babysitting course that is held at the local hospital. The class is only 3 dollars per person, and I'm very hopeful that it will instill some confidence in my future babysitters. I'm confident that hospitals everywhere offer courses like this.

    Thanks again for all the info!
    posted by Blogger jennie at 3/07/2009 08:34:00 PM  



  • Hi! My name is Lana and I'm an older adult. I've heard it's very difficult to find someone to sit your children (a fellow employee has had to take hundreds of hours of leave without pay because he can't find a permanent sitter for his children. I'll go into full-time daycare next summer (2012) but presently I have child care in my apartment in the evenings and on Saturday. The difference with my apartment (a large-two bedroom in a wonderful area of SLC central) is that the entire apartment is a teaching center extraordinaire. I don't teach entirely with non-gender specific toys but with real microscopes, telescopes, cameras, and binoculars. I'll start rolling in mid-October. I have 7 years of teaching (I was also an adjunct professor at Dixie State College). I only write this because I am extremely reasonable and not into profit. I happen to believe that there is little more important than education.
    posted by Blogger Lana Lorenzen at 9/04/2011 10:09:00 AM  



  • Actually now days, finding a good sitter has gotten a bit easier. I can personally recommend this resource to find, help pre-screen and do background checks on potential sitters: http://ReliableSitters.org

    Hope that helps anyone looking for a 'good sitter'. Thanks :-)
    posted by Anonymous Anonymous at 2/24/2014 05:53:00 PM  



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